New info re: the Changedance

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New info re: the Changedance

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As perhaps you will remember, the Changedance was a ritual that aspiring male priests of Eilistraee had to undergo in order to complete their training. Due to Eilistraee's nature being tied to motherhood, the difficulty to make male priests, and for male priests to fully cleave to Eilistraee, was overcome through this process. It was a first step to open her clergy to all genders, and it ended with male priests being able to feel their goddess in full, without having to dance the Changedance.

Honestly, I've never like this. It felt forced and rather unfit for Eilistraee. And yes, even though she's a mother to the drow, parenthood is experienced by everyone, so it shouldn't pose an obstacle to making male priests. However, Ed Greenwood has recently made the Changedance no longer a prerequisite, but a tool of self-expression. First, the he explained that it goes both ways, so you can transition from male to female as well as from female to male, with small differences in the ritual. Second, with it no longer being required, now it's granted to people who *want* it. So, essentially, Eilistraee's faith now embraces even more the liberation from gender rules, and provides trans people who want to transition an easily accessible way to do so. It's only fitting, given Eilistraees' focus on empowering the drow to find their own path to happiness, and given the role of freedom of expression in her teachings.

Basically, this was the most obvious way to make lemonade out of lemons, and I'm glad Ed chose to do so.
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Well it is indeed an improvement.
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I very much like that, yes. I'm very much in favour of Eilistraee being an LGBTQIA+ goddess. ;)


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I agree entirely. Eilistraee canonically has a soft spot for outcasts, after all. She's a goddess that welcomes marginalized people and makes them feel at home.
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Irennan wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:12 pm As perhaps you will remember, the Changedance was a ritual that aspiring male priests of Eilistraee had to undergo in order to complete their training. Due to Eilistraee's nature being tied to motherhood, the difficulty to make male priests, and for male priests to fully cleave to Eilistraee, was overcome through this process. It was a first step to open her clergy to all genders, and it ended with male priests being able to feel their goddess in full, without having to dance the Changedance.

Honestly, I've never like this. It felt forced and rather unfit for Eilistraee. And yes, even though she's a mother to the drow, parenthood is experienced by everyone, so it shouldn't pose an obstacle to making male priests. However, Ed Greenwood has recently made the Changedance no longer a prerequisite, but a tool of self-expression. First, the he explained that it goes both ways, so you can transition from male to female as well as from female to male, with small differences in the ritual. Second, with it no longer being required, now it's granted to people who *want* it. So, essentially, Eilistraee's faith now embraces even more the liberation from gender rules, and provides trans people who want to transition an easily accessible way to do so. It's only fitting, given Eilistraees' focus on empowering the drow to find their own path to happiness, and given the role of freedom of expression in her teachings.

Basically, this was the most obvious way to make lemonade out of lemons, and I'm glad Ed chose to do so.
Glad to here this, so little Eilistraee news seems to be around these day. Also.... is it weird that I like the idea of Gender bending whenever I want? or is that just a me thing?
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Irennan wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:12 pm As perhaps you will remember, the Changedance was a ritual that aspiring male priests of Eilistraee had to undergo in order to complete their training. Due to Eilistraee's nature being tied to motherhood, the difficulty to make male priests, and for male priests to fully cleave to Eilistraee, was overcome through this process. It was a first step to open her clergy to all genders, and it ended with male priests being able to feel their goddess in full, without having to dance the Changedance.

Honestly, I've never like this. It felt forced and rather unfit for Eilistraee. And yes, even though she's a mother to the drow, parenthood is experienced by everyone, so it shouldn't pose an obstacle to making male priests. However, Ed Greenwood has recently made the Changedance no longer a prerequisite, but a tool of self-expression. First, the he explained that it goes both ways, so you can transition from male to female as well as from female to male, with small differences in the ritual. Second, with it no longer being required, now it's granted to people who *want* it. So, essentially, Eilistraee's faith now embraces even more the liberation from gender rules, and provides trans people who want to transition an easily accessible way to do so. It's only fitting, given Eilistraees' focus on empowering the drow to find their own path to happiness, and given the role of freedom of expression in her teachings.

Basically, this was the most obvious way to make lemonade out of lemons, and I'm glad Ed chose to do so.
Glad to hear this, so little Eilistraee news seems to be around these day. Also.... is it weird that I like the idea of Gender bending whenever I want? or is that just a me thing?
CODENAME:Leema
Real Name:Leema Apollyon Har'gachi
Class:Variant Illusionist Favored Soul {gestalt}
Race:Shadow Drow
Height:5'8"
Weight:158 Ib.
Hair:Yellowish
Eyes:Purple(pinwheel)
Skin:Pitch-black(surrounded by Shadowy Purple Aura)
Deity:Eilistraee
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Re: New info re: the Changedance

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It isn't weird. Gender-fluidity is a thing, so wanting to be able to transition at will surely isn't incomprehensible. I also think that being able to spend time transitioned can help men empathize more with women, and vice-versa.

But for me, if I was offered a changedance, I think I'd take it and never look back.
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