Star Wars: The Stardancers

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Star Wars: The Stardancers

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With the recent announcement of [url=http://www.swtor.com:ostt7gyi]Star Wars: The Old Republic[/url:ostt7gyi], which despite some reservations I’ve been fairly excited about, I’ve been thinking about a way to possibly fit an Eilistraeen group and dogma within the Star Wars universe.

What I’ve come up with so far are the Eili Starancers.

The Eili are a group in between the Jedi and the Sith; they follow parts of the ideology of both. They seek peace and harmony, seek to be a force of good, similar to the Jedi, but they don’t forsake emotion and power just as the Sith don’t. They’re a group who act pretty much like an Eilistraeen would; trying to be kind, trying to end violence with quick violence, pursuing song and dance, etc.

The way I envision them is that they are Sith in origin (in some ways the Sith are the drow of the Star Wars universe anyway). Now, the Sith embrace their emotions to draw strength from them. The way I can see the Eili (yes, yes, it’s a lame shortening of Eilistraee) starting is that they enhance their emotions through music and dance, thus drawing power from that. But unlike most Sith they seek peace and happiness and when the first ancient Sith empire was born they were driven into hiding, becoming a rebel faction in a way.

Their rebellion failed, but the group and their religion continued to exist. Here I’m thinking that an ‘Eilistraee’ character could’ve been the founder of the religion who survived as a force ghost or such. Now in the setting of this MMO they stand between the Sith and the Jedi, trying to find peace but not forsaking violence when needed, drawing strength while trying to do good. And singing and dancing of course. ;)

It wouldn’t be exclusively Force-users I don’t think, I can easily see other kinds being drawn to the philosophy as well (similar as to Jedi and Sith to begin with really).

I’ve also been putting some thought into a ‘Code’ for them, similar to the codes the Jedi and Sith have:

[center:ostt7gyi][i:ostt7gyi]There is no emotion; there is peace.
There is no ignorance; there is knowledge.
There is no passion; there is serenity.
There is no death; there is the Force.[/i:ostt7gyi]
- the Jedi Code

[i:ostt7gyi]Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.[/i:ostt7gyi]
- the Sith Code[/center:ostt7gyi]

I’ve tried to take those and construct something in which both the Jedi and the Sith could see both things they agree with and things they do not (and thing they’re indifferent towards), something that fits with Eilistraee’s credo. What I’ve come up with so far is this:

[center:ostt7gyi][i:ostt7gyi]We sing of strength, for it brings peace.
We sing of passion, for it brings love.
We sing of kindness, for it brings harmony.
We sing of merriment, for it brings joy.
The Force is the melody that frees us.[/i:ostt7gyi]
- the Eili Code[/center:ostt7gyi]

To explain, “strength”->“peace” is basically saying “end violence with swift violence” and defend the weak and all that. By being strong you can defend those who can’t defend themselves and put a quick end to those who would threaten peace. Interesting here is that the Sith particularly pursue strength while the Jedi seek peace, so if something the Sith seek can achieve something the Jedi seek we’ve nicely muddied the waters between them. :p

“passion”->“love” means that we are passionate then others can see this and get to appreciate that which we are passionate about. It also refers to the connection that you’re generally passionate about love and passionate when in love. And yes this is probably the weakest line of the lot, but I wanted to get “love” in there because it’s very strongly a positive (and thus good) emotion (and thus something the Jedi eschew).

“kindness”->“harmony” refers to always needing to be kind to others, for then they’re more inclined to be kind to you and such harmony between all is achieved. This is something a Jedi might agree with, but a Sith would scoff at (but isn’t directly against their code).

“merriment”->“joy” refers to trying to promote happiness. This line is a bit tricky because it’s basically saying the same thing twice (“merriment” and “joy” being closely related words), but I couldn’t think of anything better (and came from a form where I originally had “we seek to be merry so that all can know joy”). I think a Jedi would scoff at this (for themselves at least as happiness is very much an emotion) and the Sith wouldn’t have any objection to it as such.

The last line about the Force freeing us is very close to the last line of the Sith Code (as they’re supposed to come from the Sith), but with some distinct differences. For one it refers to “we” instead of “I”. And secondly where the Sith seek to be free from the bonds of life or such, here it’s more freedom from oppression. And though Jedi don’t seek freedom themselves (but oneness) it thus could still be something they could agree with.

I also had a line in there originally about “tolerance” and “freedom”, but decided that it was already getting too long and was just repeating things anyway (the “tolerance” now being more in the “kindness” and the “freedom” in the last sentence).

I also chose the form of “we sing…” because I wanted to refer to music in there. And combining that with the “melody” I put in the last line one might infer that they “sing” by using the Force. And while I wanted to I decided not to put anything in about food or dance since I could find no place to fit it naturally.

So in short they seek to ‘convert’ the Sith by convincing them that they can find strength in other emotions than hate, fear and anger, that they don’t have to be destructive and can be happy living in peace. And at the same time they try and convince the Jedi that following one’s emotions doesn’t mean they can’t live in peace and harmony with the Jedi Order. In essence, for the Eili there is no light and dark side to the Force, but to them “the Force is life” and has no color beyond that.

I think that this way you get a group that functions a lot like the Eilistraeens do in D&D; seen as betrayers by their ‘kin’ (the Sith) and distrusted by the ‘good guys’, where they can be attacked by both sides. They’re a group making their own way, eternal underdogs in the face of these much larger powers, finding their joy and their strength in song and dance. I can totally see them developing lightsaber combat forms based on dancing, the emotion that dance evokes in them fuelling their Force powers.

A fairly unique approach to the whole Star Wars universe I think.

And yes, I probably spent [i:ostt7gyi]way[/i:ostt7gyi] more time thinking about this than I should. :tear:

But let me know what you think.


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Hello again fellows.

It has been far too long since I posted here but I try to post only if I feel I have something to contribute with. As of late that has been very little. However a good philosophical discussion is hard to pass out on so here I go.
First off the conversion does not seem too unreasonable as such. The name of the religion as Eili seems a little out of place but that can always be streamlined later on. I have not made up my mind on how to deal with the WotC-deal so I am only in it for the discussion for now ;)
The name of the religion as Eili seems a little out of place but that can always be streamlined later on. There are a few issues that I would comment on though. If I follow you correctly the key elements from the Sith Code is passion and strength. Peace represents the Jedi Code. To comment on strength first I think it is something that should be pursued as a measure of preventing violent encounters. After all the more powerful you are the less likely others are to challenge you. So the quest for strength is more of a preemptive measure that is not intended for use. Of course the universe is not ideal so it will be utilized to destroy forces that threaten the existence of the order. This would also leave a more passive survival-like angle to the strength thing. This operates on the pretense that the Eili does not seek to be the supreme power in the galaxy, which I feel would be somewhat out of character. This would also be the main difference between the Sith and the Eili.
There is no need to comment on the passion part. That fits well enough. I have a few comments to the Peace part though. As it is presented it seems like a primarily superficial peace for the entire galaxy. However a large part of the drow redemption has always seemed to me to be a search for inner peace. Thus I see no reason not to include the serenity part of the Jedi Code to further add to the mixture of the two factions. It might even be joined with passion in the sense that to find serenity you would have to experience joy. Or perhaps some other positive emotion. If I may be so bold as to suggest a change of the 4th paragraph of the Eili Code to something like:

We sing of joy, for with it comes serenity

Then a more personal gain of the gaiety of the Eili could be justified. I think that was just about it for now. So apart from the above it seems like a solid suggestion if people should decide to go along with it. It seems that you need no longer wander that line of thought alone our most beloved High Priestess :D
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[quote="Zaravir":1g86yok1]We sing of joy, for with it comes serenity[/quote:1g86yok1]
I see what you're saying. Though to keep with the same format as the other lines it'd probably be:

[i:1g86yok1]We sing of joy, for it brings serenity.[/i:1g86yok1]

I do like that on the left side are emotions and things the Sith would seek and on the right side the peace and tranquility the Jedi would seek. Though one line is pretty much pure emotion and the other line pure peace. As such, to get all four combinations (emotion to peace, emotion to emotion, peace to peace and peace to emotion) I'd almost turn that one line around into something like:

[i:1g86yok1]We sing of serenity, for it brings joy.[/i:1g86yok1]

I like a certain measure of symmetry. ;)

But, ah well.

As for a different name instead of "Eili", how about "Seke"? Since "seke" means "true" in the drow tongue that would make "The Seke" mean "The True". But then it doesn't quite have the right ring to it either... bah, I'm horrible with names. :/


Oh, and to be clear, first I'm not directly planning on starting a guild or anything for TOR; I'm getting tired of running guilds in MMOs. And secondly, I don't consider this a 'replacement' of FR Eilistraee or anything; just something interesting that could be used and could be fun. As said, I'm looking towards expanding Eilistraee into various settings, taking different shapes depending on the setting (she is chaotic after all) and this is one way it could be done in Star Wars.


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Post by Shir'le E. Illios »

Changed the topic title to remove the word "Eili". Decided, why need a name like that anyway. The group can just be called The Stardancers and that seems fine to me.

Anyway. :)


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"Here I’m thinking that an ‘Eilistraee’ character could’ve been the founder of the religion who survived as a force ghost or such."

Well, not too common as it may be, it has occured a great many times for a Jedi or Sith to 'come back from the netherworlds of the Force' to aid (the Star Wars movies, books and stuff) or simply as a means of penance or a choice of their own, because they could control the Force to such a degree (Exar Kun and one of the Sith Lords on Korriban in Kotor 1). So it would fit in nicely. :)

I've read somewhere of a fraction calle the grey jedi, the ones not belongning to Sith nor Jedi. So my guess is the Stardancers, or maybe "Forcedancers" (?) would be similar.

The idea is great, along with the Sith origin.

Another of my guesses is that preserving the wisdom of the both Jedi and Sith (like Atris used to do) and passing it on in the form of song (like Tionne) and dance would be a major issue, and a very much welcome one indeed. I personally, after reading some books that involved Vergere have much changed my point of view on the major issues about the Force.

All in all this is a great idea. I've been working on a D6 Star Wars campaign that would revolve round the (tarum tarum) daughter of Revan, which he had secretely with Mission (yes, the cute Twi'lek rogue).

But then again, I've been working on so many campaigns I don't have any time to make them real. Just like I wanted the campaign for us to work, but was suddenly forced to disappear for the few recent weeks. More info somewhere on the Forums.
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[quote="Argoth":16ep9f36]I've read somewhere of a fraction calle the grey jedi, the ones not belongning to Sith nor Jedi.[/quote:16ep9f36]
Actually the [url=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gray_Jedi:16ep9f36]gray jedi[/url:16ep9f36] are still jedi and still light-side Force users, they just tend to operate outside of the Jedi Council. Qui-Gon Jinn (from the first prequel movie) is considered to be a gray jedi and he was definitely good. Another example is Jolee Bindo from the first KotOR game.

I've also read of a [url=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Potentium:16ep9f36]Potentium[/url:16ep9f36] sect who believe that the Force doesn't have a dark side and is basically good, that the light or dark side comes from the user. Thus they believe that they can use techniques that are generally considered to be dark-side techniques as long as they themselves stay good.

That Potentium is pretty close to the direction I was thinking with the Eilistraee-ish group, except that our group definitely would believe in a dark side of the Force. They just differ (from the jedi) in believing that emotions only lead to the dark side. And yes, that probably has a fair bit of overlap with the gray jedi as well.

[quote="Argoth":16ep9f36]So my guess is the Stardancers, or maybe "Forcedancers" (?) would be similar.[/quote:16ep9f36]
Oooh, "Forcedancers", I love that. :)

That very accurately describes how they work and what they are, using dancing to control the Force as well as a more metaphorical "dancing" within the Force (between dark and light).

[quote="Argoth":16ep9f36]Another of my guesses is that preserving the wisdom of the both Jedi and Sith (like Atris used to do) and passing it on in the form of song (like Tionne) and dance would be a major issue, and a very much welcome one indeed.[/quote:16ep9f36]
I like that a lot too; using song and dance as a means to pass on their knowledge.

[quote="Argoth":16ep9f36]I've been working on a D6 Star Wars campaign that would revolve round the (tarum tarum) daughter of Revan, which he had secretely with Mission (yes, the cute Twi'lek rogue).[/quote:16ep9f36]
Bah, Revan was female. :p


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I think the Jedi regarded Potentium a highly dangerous sect, as not differentiating the light and dark sides of the force, usually pulled the person to the dark side. But on the other hand, I don't believe the dark side is really an issue here. Like I said, after reading the book where Vergere taught Jacen Solo I've come to believe she was right.

Qui Gon a gray jedi? Never heard of that. I guess that despite his denial of some things he was still regarded a member of the Order. Just, though he could have been, he never got to get in the Council.

Argoth wrote:
I've been working on a D6 Star Wars campaign that would revolve round the (tarum tarum) daughter of Revan, which he had secretely with Mission (yes, the cute Twi'lek rogue).

Bah, Revan was female. :p

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Post by Thalon Mercrow »

1) great idea shrile! kind of reminds me of the witchs of draiomr who are force adapts that belive they need to sing and dance to acsses there force powers

2)argoth a grey jedi is one who operates as a jedi but outside the authirty of the councle so qui-gon fits this perictly and futhermore if you go to wokkiepedea they can futher refute this by stateing him as an example

3) pissed that i found out that mara jade is dead (havent been reading the books as much as i should) she was one of the coolest chacters to come out of the EU one of the best examples of a force adapt (one of the main classes i play in starwars RPG) and finelly SHE WAS HOT!!!! this is almost as bad as when they killed chewbaca :'( >:( (still pissed at ralstore)

4)in the famuos words of palpatine "we will be watching your forum very closely master skywalker" :devil:

5)and yes argoth revan was female becase they said so! :p ( i still mantain that the exile was male) in starwars rpg my favrite chacter is a force adapt with lightsaber training becuse his grandfather was a jedi who was decendant of the exile and the handmaiden.(yes they hooked up) and survived the purge passing on the knowlge of the force and lightsaber training

6)this has been one long forum and its good to be back farun!!!!
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Mara was the hottest of hot... Nothing like a red hair jedi with that little tint of the dark side somewhere. Now that's cool!
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