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Leema Har'gachi
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Re: Eilistraee art

Post by Leema Har'gachi » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:01 pm

Hey, I finally made a new picture of Eilistraee... and I think I need to do some practice pictures of her, because I think her hair doesn't look as good as in some of my earlier art. I also have an alternate version and PSD on my patreon. https://www.deviantart.com/ultimatewkar ... -817924473. Please tell me what you think.
CODENAME:Leema
Real Name:Leema Apollyon Har'gachi
Class:Variant Illusionist Favored Soul {gestalt}
Race:Shadow Drow
Height:5'8"
Weight:158 Ib.
Hair:Yellowish
Eyes:Purple(pinwheel)
Skin:Pitch-black(surrounded by Shadowy Purple Aura)
Deity:Eilistraee

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Re: Eilistraee art

Post by Shae » Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:26 am

Leema Har'gachi wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:47 pm
I have a few pieces of Eilistraee art I did to test the paper.
https://www.deviantart.com/ultimatewkar ... -806168240
The first one I did with only the ink pen, I didn't set up any guidelines of any kind. I just did it.
*raises eyebrows* This is not bad. The body is paradoxically almost better for not using guidelines since the stance becomes much less stiff, although unsurprisingly, the face is entirely off center since you drew freehand.

Your shading is unexpectedly striking here. Your talent for lighting, once again. When you're doing well, your eye for light has usually been at least a step or two ahead of the rest of your technique for whatever reason. On the other hand your poses are still relatively unconvincing and overly stiff. I feel like you actually did better with this freehand drawing then with some of the guidelined pictures you've previously shown on that aspect. You might be a little over-reliant on the guidelines. I have one of those little poseable drawing model thingys and sometimes prefer using that in conjunction with the guidelines because (among other things) it gives me a fuller picture of angles. Maybe you can try using a model yourself if you aren't already.
Leema Har'gachi wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:47 pm
https://www.deviantart.com/ultimatewkar ... -806167820
This second one is A rebuilt from scratch of one of the pictures of Eilistraee I did in my other sketchbook (shae will recognize it I'm sure). I should mention I found out why the breasts where too high on the original version in my other sketchbook, it is because I was using my shoulder guidelines wrong. You see what I was doing was make the guidelines and then draw the shoulder circle with the line basically passing through the circles center. How I was suppose to be using it was the top of the circle should be touching the guidelines, it should have never went through it. SO yeah that what I was doing wrong, should have paid better attention to thous tutorials.
Yes, I recognize it. I'm glad you were able to find a way to draw the chest that worked for you.

Your hands are too small. Both of the latest pictures you show with hands portrayed have this issue. A general rule of thumb to go by is that hand length is typically roughly around at least the size of the person's face from brow to chin. But the eyes have a sweet expression and the hair has good flow.
Leema Har'gachi wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:47 pm
Finally, I'd like to mention that I've started a patreon. If you like what I do, please consider helping me out. You get access to alternate versions of my newer art and can get the PSD's. I should mentioned that I've been having problems with it saving attachments (I don't understand why it isn't saving them to the post), so some of my newer arts PSD's have yet to get added to my patreon.
You can accesses my patreon here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=21630467
Sorry to say, I do not have the wherewithal to pay for pictures right now. I can just offer critiques and sometimes technique advice here if you want that.
Leema Har'gachi wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:47 pm
Hey, I finally made a new picture of Eilistraee... and I think I need to do some practice pictures of her, because I think her hair doesn't look as good as in some of my earlier art. I also have an alternate version and PSD on my patreon. https://www.deviantart.com/ultimatewkar ... -817924473. Please tell me what you think.
I think the hair would be better if it had more lighting, and also had some bigger "piecing" rather then being in all small strands, and also if you either got rid of the odd lock at the back of her neck, or conversely lengthened it and also curved the ends more like you did with the bangs for a more natural look (it looks a tad hacked off otherwise.) Hikari's arm proportions are off. Your shading is on point as always and the basic coloring is done well overall, so if you can practice on your proportions and the occasional perspective angle you should see a large improvement.
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Re: Eilistraee art

Post by Leema Har'gachi » Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:55 pm

Shae wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:26 am

*raises eyebrows* This is not bad. The body is paradoxically almost better for not using guidelines since the stance becomes much less stiff, although unsurprisingly, the face is entirely off center since you drew freehand.

Your shading is unexpectedly striking here. Your talent for lighting, once again. When you're doing well, your eye for light has usually been at least a step or two ahead of the rest of your technique for whatever reason. On the other hand your poses are still relatively unconvincing and overly stiff. I feel like you actually did better with this freehand drawing then with some of the guidelined pictures you've previously shown on that aspect. You might be a little over-reliant on the guidelines. I have one of those little poseable drawing model thingys and sometimes prefer using that in conjunction with the guidelines because (among other things) it gives me a fuller picture of angles. Maybe you can try using a model yourself if you aren't already.
I am glad my shading looks good. I've always been having problems with poses, even when I try to make them expressive, but you might have a point of me being a bet overly reliant on the guidelines.
Shae wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:26 am
Yes, I recognize it. I'm glad you were able to find a way to draw the chest that worked for you.

Your hands are too small. Both of the latest pictures you show with hands portrayed have this issue. A general rule of thumb to go by is that hand length is typically roughly around at least the size of the person's face from brow to chin. But the eyes have a sweet expression and the hair has good flow.
That is a good tip to know, hands are always so hard to get right. This is probable one of the few pieces I've done with a good facial expression that doesn't just look plain.
Shae wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:26 am

I think the hair would be better if it had more lighting, and also had some bigger "piecing" rather then being in all small strands, and also if you either got rid of the odd lock at the back of her neck, or conversely lengthened it and also curved the ends more like you did with the bangs for a more natural look (it looks a tad hacked off otherwise.) Hikari's arm proportions are off. Your shading is on point as always and the basic coloring is done well overall, so if you can practice on your proportions and the occasional perspective angle you should see a large improvement.
I kind feel like I might have rushed a bit when it comes to lighting and I agree I need to add more detail to the design of her hair. I'll try to do a bit more proportion practice sometime when I have more free time from college work. But, with that said.

https://www.deviantart.com/ultimatewkar ... 1581943184
I did this about two months ago, had to wait a while before I could scan it. I was trying to practice inking with different line weight in my pen and I ended up leaving a bit of her hair with a lighter line weight. So what do you guys think.
CODENAME:Leema
Real Name:Leema Apollyon Har'gachi
Class:Variant Illusionist Favored Soul {gestalt}
Race:Shadow Drow
Height:5'8"
Weight:158 Ib.
Hair:Yellowish
Eyes:Purple(pinwheel)
Skin:Pitch-black(surrounded by Shadowy Purple Aura)
Deity:Eilistraee

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Re: Eilistraee art

Post by Shae » Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:24 pm

Much improved. The bodyline is not as stiff and has become more fluid, the chest is more in proportion with the rest of the frame, the features are in line with the face and the hair detailing is better.

Regarding smaller details, the shoulders are still a little stiff and the arms from the shoulders to the elbows appear too short, unless that's a foreshortening technique, but if that is the case the hands and the forearms don't actually carry the technique through and the forearm of the fisted right hand should also be shorter to emphasize the perspective. Besides, there's no tension in the wrist to emphasize the fisting of the hand, which doesn't help the proportioning either way. Try turning the wrist and the fist itself up, so that the knuckles are facing upwards more. The fisted hand itself also looks somewhat ambiguous. You can try defining it from the wrist a little more with a (slightly) downward curving line starting from the clasped fingers and ending mid-wrist to denote the side, because when you fist your hand like that, the line from the center of the palm becomes deeper and goes outward, forming a triangle shape viewed from the side. The left hand is drawn well and really quite beautiful, with pretty fingers, but as you've placed it on her hip, showing the whole hand looks overly posed and slack from that position and doesn't emphasize her expression. Instead it turns all her body language ambiguous. Anime in particular exaggerates body language to back up facial expressions, due to having base influences from old Japanese and American stage/theater styles. So if you want to "back up" Eilistraee's irritable facial expression here, among other details, then you'll need to bend her hand, showing mostly the fingers, the part of the back of the palm as it meets the wrist, and the wrist. The hand itself won't be seen as much from that perspective, but it will emphasize the slightly aggressive (forward-leaning stance) you already have her in and when you add the tension in the fist I already mentioned, these details should help "clarify" her body language overall and put a bit more emphasis behind her irritated facial expression. The entire body, not just the face, needs to back up/emphasize the character's intent. If the character is making an angry face, all the details of the rest of the body language also needs to be angry to get the point across. Think of the body language of dogs and cats. When they're mad, everything about them signals being mad. Ears, tail, body stance, everything shifts to aggressive/defensive stance against the opponent. If you want her to portray more ambiguous feelings, such being angry but also being hesitant to hurt anyone, you can try making her hands tense and her body keep forward, but having her turn her head/face slightly away/downward in order to show how she's trying to restrain her more aggressive emotions.

I did a couple of quick sketches for you that I'm hoping illustrates a little bit of what I'm talking about,if that helps any (sorry, it's just a blurry photo of all badly done stick figures and random something whatever with few if any guidelines; aka I've got quite a few art issues here myself, but I hope it gets the point across.) And yes, I do have freakishly bad writing, so let me know if you can't read anything or if the link's broken:

https://www.pastepic.xyz/image/drawingstuff-1.faeuj
Well known path to Chang'an resembles yiqi.
Hundred years of life cannot bear the grief.

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